July 13, 2024

Pat & Mat: Playing Cards – in good quality!

Hello, all!

As I'm busy with professional and personal obligations (amongst others, I'm finishing my first book, which has nothing to do with animation), this blog has been on pause for a couple of years now. I sometimes get the bug to go back to it, but the fire quickly gets extinguished by all the other things waiting for their turn. However, sometimes life throws a curveball (or, dare I say, plays its card?) and stops you in your tracks. This is one of those cases. 

Here, for your viewing pleasure, is a pristine copy of the final Pat & Mat episode produced by aiF, Playing Cards (frequently known as Karty):

UPDATE: Unfortunately, my original YouTube channel got banned due to circumstances which were never justified or explained by YouTube. Therefore, I am linking the video forwarded by TymekGry (explained below).



What, how, and why?! These are probably some of the questions you are thinking about, but I'll try to, as briefly as possible, explain the story behind this post.

Exactly 10 days ago, this copy of the film was unveiled to the digital world by a Polish fan who goes by the handle TymekGry. He uploaded it to YouTube via another fan, and also notified me by writing several comments on this blog.

I did not approve those comments. For reasons explained below, my reaction was not astonishment, but rather circumspection. I had to consider the whole situation. Indeed, some days later, the video with the copy disappeared, perhaps never to be seen again?

Of course, this is not how the Internet works. Once it's out there, it's out there. There's no going back to the bunker. Indeed, with just a simple search you could find it even without this post. So, where do I come into all of this?

I was not surprised to see this copy of the film. I had seen it before, many a time, the first of which happened on August 21, 2020. That was the day I met with František Váša in Split. It was a strange time – the summer Split sun made the weather sweltering, and the city was bustling with tourists, but everything was a bit subdued due to COVID-19.

Our meeting was anything but subdued, however. I was really glad to meet a great animator and director of the series, while it also pleased him to meet such a superfan. We didn't have a chance to communicate much via email, so I was thrilled and ready to bombard him with questions. However, as soon as we sat down on the Pjaca square, Mr Váša reached into his bag and took out this:


You can imagine my excitement then! Váša's words were something along the lines of "This is something for you. It's from the original." Of course, I ran home as fast as I could and inserted the DVD into my computer (which is by now long out of use). Before pressing play, I invited my sister in to share this, for me, historic moment. The opening "New Door" intro rolled out in amazing quality, followed by a never-seen credits sequence, then the rest of the episode. The 12 minutes and 40 seconds whizzed through in a blur. Finally, I had seen the entirety of the so-called "missing" or "lost" episode.

The beautiful lettering, one of the last to be done on film

The digital copy of the episode was made from original materials, presumably the original negative. I don't know what the exact purpose was, but this happened many years ago. Judging from the files on the DVD, back in 2009.

Naturally, I wanted to share this with my fellow ajetologists, but it wasn't to be. When he handed me the DVD, Mr Váša also told me not to share it in the open. Lest some old spirits be disturbed. As you might remember, the film was a collateral victim of the conflict between several members of the aiF studio, which made it go extinct. These conflicts were escalated into years-long lawsuits, so there was no point to add fuel to the fire.

I alluded to why in the introduction to my published interview: "As you can imagine, aiF’s break-up was not the most idyllic of splits (on the contrary, lawsuits sprung up) and there is no point in possibly opening old wounds with certain people through my blog."

In the end, I shared this copy with only a handful of people, who were gracious enough to never spill the beans. One of them is an animation pen pal who lives in Texas. He showed it to some kids in a daycare centre he was working in. It was a bit of a silly prank – I joked that the film finally reached its target audience, the USA!

That was that. As agreed, I never made any suggestion that this copy existed, apart from a buried clue. My Pat & Mat filmography page has for years contained the full credits for the episode. Nobody thought of asking me where I got them from, though.

I have to admit I toyed with the idea of releasing the copy online, but I would never do such a thing without previously consulting the people who worked on it, thereby betraying their trust. 
That's how we get to 2024.

When Tymek put this online, he did it rashly, without consultation and by explicitly describing how he obtained it. The person who provided him with the copy did not expect the upload to happen. This is why they later requested its removal.

This is where I felt I had to step in. I had been in contact with the person (who, I should mention, is not the director) before, and we discussed the situation through several emails. The conclusion was the following: what's done cannot be undone. The film is now out there, and let the world enjoy it. However, this will have to be done anonymously. I politely call on Tymek and his pals to remove all the references to the person who sent the copy and how it happened. This is all they ask in return of giving you the episode. Thank you for all you have done.

There was only one thing left to do – have a quick chat with the director, František Váša. He gave his okay for the film to be presented here and beyond. If anything, it's his most singular take on the series (in spite of the fact that he was pressured to include many elements he did not intend to, like the voices). He, along with a crew of a handful of people, worked on it tirelessly for more than a year. 

This was, now, 26 years ago. It's nice that we can finally put the whole story to rest and enjoy the fruit of their labour in a proper way.

This whole story could have been handled a bit better, but feelings were hurt only briefly and now it's time to move on. And by that I mean, of course, that we should be seeing the older episodes in such good quality as well! Until some other time, ciao :)


42 comments:

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    1. What do you mean by "it is what it is."? I think it's great that the original version of Karty was found. Moreover, in an excellent quality.

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  2. Tymek, your comment will NOT be approved. Please reread the post carefully and consider what is being asked from you. What you wrote is the exact opposite!

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    1. Sorry for that, just removed mentions from Lost Media Wiki (might also remove the comments talking about the way of finding today)
      - Tymek

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    2. ....Also removed the mention of a way the episode got found from my Internet Archive upload of a copy of the episode
      - Tymek
      P.S: i got to say that your new post on Cards is interesting, didn't knew that you also got a full copy on a disk from a crew member of the episode 4 years earlier

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    3. Just altered or deleted my comments left under the Lost Media Wiki article about Playing Cards (even put a warning about altered and removed comments)

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    4. When I see my Playing Cards situation from a day when it got found now, i kinda feel like an idiot for not asking the person who sent me the copy of the episode for a permission to publish it online (I was so hyped at that time that I had the opportunity to watch the episode in very good quality, so hyped that I had to announce the news about it)

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    5. this is sort of a continuation of the comment from August, I honnestly regret my behaviour after I put full "Playing Cards" online: I thoughtlessly shared how I found the episode without thinking twice about how the person who gave me a copy of it will think about it, repeatly telling some people i know "I FOUND THE EPISODE! I FOUND THE EPISODE!" for two weeks after i published the episode (i know that some people got annoyed by that spam, everyone knows that i found the episode already), I say again that I sincerely apologise for the the behavior and after this situation I learned my lesson
      - TymekGry

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    6. despite my rather controversial situation with the lost P&M episode "Playing Cards" (i still regret my behavior when uploading the episode in full, i know that i'm rather hated by some in P&M community for that currently), it's crazy how many lost media get found this year: like "the most mysterious song on the internet" (Like the Wind) being solved as Subways of Your Mind by the band FEX few weeks ago

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    7. btw i and playing cards thing is on a latest blameitonjorge video
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_RQBw_h84I&t=3426s

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    8. it's freaking crazy that a bad situation (I still regret my behavior from july) can turn into a surprising one over the months (so suprising that I showed up on blameitonjorge video and also Scribbles on Screen video)
      it's like a Christmas gift lol
      and also closure to the chapter of "Pat and Mat - Playing Cards"

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    9. ...so PatMat uploaded Playing Cards (I see they uploaded the same copy as I got last July, I don't know if PatMat somehow obtained the rights to that 50th episode or something, lol)
      https://youtu.be/snmQ74jJx2I?si=WRxXbnPfaMCqv_7f
      This is crazy

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    10. Sad news: AQS started taking down uploads of Playing Cards
      A neni to's upload got copyright striked, The original Korean VHS rip also got copyright striked

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    11. Eunseok Lee has rather set the original Korean VHS rip to private because of AQS' actions

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  3. So, from the lost media about Karty, only an 8-minute version of Karty remains to be found

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    1. It would be good to stop referring to it as "lost media", but that's about right. If that thing (actually, just a working copy) exists, it's buried somewhere in the director's personal VHSs. One day, maybe…

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  4. AFTER 2 YEARS!!!

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    1. I think it was 4 years since we got this intro sequence of the dior that we knew

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  5. I am waiting for more content

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  6. hello! a bit of unrelated question but, do some original People that worked on A je to! still live? who?

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  7. Youtube is making compression, can you upload it on file hosting?

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    1. It's on the Internet Archive, The size of a copy is kind of big (If you want to download it), because it's 849.4 megabytes
      https://archive.org/details/patamat_karty_97

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  8. Should your old Minutiae series inch on long enough to reach "Breakfast in Grass", here be a detail a few dotted U-Tub comments on Mateush's latest video led me to discover.... when Mat's struggling to dislodge his egghead from the egg salad, he appears to be... frowning!

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  9. hey Marin, why did you delete your Youtube channel? i think that's pretty weird because some videos that you had on the channel also used on your Ajetology blog

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    1. Tymek, please do not write multiple comments – the comments do not appear before I approve them. I did not delete my YouTube channel. It was terminated by YouTube itself for "spam, deceptive practices, & scams". That's the only explanation they had given. I don't know what it was about – I got no warning whatsoever and no details. As you know, my channel was perfectly safe, so I was shocked. I tried to contest the termination, but they (or just some bot) refused. So, it appears the channel is gone forever. I am very sad to lose my comments and subscriptions, but it is what it is. Shame on them.

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  10. You probably know this Pat and Mat crypto/NFT thingy from 3 years ago (2022)
    well there's now a Pat and Mat crypto memecoin (or something like that
    And yeah, this crap is real and officially dropped by PatMat studio
    https://youtu.be/I2aTQY_YCm0?si=wN719jqGPcPiyKe9
    https://en.patmat.cz/?sid=27/
    I'd rather have some sneak peeks for new episode than some cryptocurrency (crypto is not my interest) to be honest
    and also the description on a website feels ai-generated tbh

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    1. I saw that they have privated the video about a cryptocoin, probably because of criticism from many fans like Rakso, danCZ and i in the comments
      That video was a scene from the episode "Popcorn" where Pat and Mat are watching TV and eating popcorn but the regular tv programs in the episode are replaced with a showcase of rising and falling stocks for the cryptocoin if anyone is intrested what was in a vid

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  11. It would be nice if there were the officially released already episodes transfered from the film/tapes in that quality, as we have the older episodes now just in the DVD/VHS quality

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  12. The episode seems to have an official upload now - any idea what made them change their stance from copyright striking everything to actually publishing it?

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  13. Recently a bunch of lost stuff from the Dutch dub was uploaded De Twee Stuntels on YouTube. These include audio that was censored on later releases and the original dubs of two episodes, Maľovanie and Skokani, that were later redubbed. The original dubs were the most surprising find, as before this we never knew some episodes had multiple Dutch dubs made. Episodes 17-23 were likely also redubbed, as they have very similar audio quality to the redubs of those two episodes.
    https://youtu.be/2l-7Rc6mpZo
    https://youtu.be/G6JLlpTyefM
    https://youtu.be/VDXKcDNNP-4

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    1. Episode 22 seems to have an older dub as well: https://zoeken.beeldengeluid.nl/program/urn:vme:default:program:2101608050039519731
      There's a tape in the archive that has Krizovka on it and another episode: "Bouwvallig huis", which I can only assume is Dazd. Unforfunately, it's inaccessible. Telocvicna could also have a 1980s dub, but there's no trace of it in the archive. The other episodes apparently never aired before 2005. I'm not sure about Kutaci. The Dutch DVD has the ABZ master and even though the audio quality is poor, I think it was dubbed in 2005 and they deliberately made it sound worse to match the atmosphere of the episode. There is an episode in the archive called "Buurman komt eten", but this could also be the recently discovered Malovanie.

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    2. "Buurman komt eten" is indeed the early dub of Maľovanie. Also I'm pretty sure episodes 17-21 and 23 have original dubs, since I don't see why they'd just skip a bunch of A je to episodes. (Unless there's concrete evidence those episodes were never aired in the 80s or 90s of course) Kuťáci still remains a mystery to me.

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  14. Hello! This is a bit of an unrelated response, but I would like to give my opinions on (almost) all of the animators that worked on Pat & Mat. I doubt that you will see this (this is why I'm responding on your newest post, for the slight chance you'll see it), but if anyone else sees this, you can give your opinions on my ranking as well.

    Karel Chocholín:
    The first animator on this lovely series. Starting from Kuťáci to Jablko, he was one of the more common animators in ...A Je To! and one of the most iconic (if you watch credits, like I do). His animation style, though, wasn't the worst, but not the best, either. I do like his runs (or as you call them, one-speed runs) and his poses with the two handymen, but his animation lacked fluidity, while also being kind of slow at times. All in all, his animation was pretty average.

    Vlasta Pospíšilová:
    It's the legend herself. Very upsetting to know she died about 4 years ago. She was a pretty good animator, even though she worked on only one episode, Tapety. I enjoy the episode because of her beautiful animation. It feels very similar to Klos's, but still not as good. Overall, I love her animation, and it is one of the best styles of Czech Animation.

    Xenie Vavrečková:
    I think her animation is similar to Chocholín's, but still pretty solid overall. In my opinion, her animation in 1989 and 1990 was my personal favorite (her walk and run styles in Nábytek look clean). Still pretty good, overall.

    Jan Klos:
    Oh boy. This guy's animation is PERFECT! Like you've said multiple times, his animation combines 1's, 2's and 3's in a very beautiful way. There's no best episode with his animation, because ALL OF THEM ARE GREAT. My personal favorites might be Grill, Skokani, and Korčule, but I had to leave some out because I love many of his episodes. It's a shame he turned down Beneš's offer to join the aiF studio. I would've loved those episodes more if he animated them, honestly.

    Alfons Mensdorff-Pouilly:
    The smoothest animator on the series. No other words to say (except the words coming). He's definitely one of the best animators who's ever touched this series, and his animation is very recognizable if you pay attention. Overall, great animation, and a legendary career (he still works on the series to this day).

    Marek Beneš:
    Not the best, that's for sure. He probably started animating because his father was desperate. It's pretty stiff, and it just looks goofy to watch. It's like Karel Chocholín's animation if he didn't have his signature signs (position and runs). Just not great, really at all.

    František Váša:
    It's a shame this guy only spent the aiF season on episodes. I really like his animation, and it definitely progressed over time (even though I like his 1992 episodes better than the 1994 ones; still not horrible). Something finally related to the post, his animation on Karty was also great. I like that he spent time on the hats just like Jan Klos did. Mat's hat popping up in Dlaždice just looks great. Overall, great animation during his work at aiF.

    Sorry about the inconvinience, I have to split this in two.

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  15. Ladislav Pálka:
    We're onto the 2000's era of Pat & Mat, altough I must say this person's animation is not great. This person (I am saying this because I don't know if it's a woman or man, thanks to IMDB) wasn't very smooth with their animation. What can I say, this person worked at, of course, Bonton, which is the main source of not caring in Pat & Mat. I will say, I looked at their credits and they've not only done animation, but storyboard, writing (or story), and even direction. This person was pretty busy, so maybe that animation was last minute.

    David Fílcik:
    I'd like to call him the Jan Klos of the Se Vracejí series, as his animation looks great, he uses the head techniques, and he's worked with Klos before. The way I can tell that it's his animation are his hand positions. They are easy to spot and they really only correspond with his animation. His animation also has some of my favorite episodes of the series, which are Velikonoční vajíčko (fun fact: it's actually Easter here in America as I'm writing this), Štíhlá linie, Jahody, and Někam to zapadlo. Overall, love his animation, great style.

    Bedřich Glaser:
    I don't dislike his animation, even though it's certainly not the best. Honestly, it feels like a low-quality Jan Klos animates these episodes. I do enjoy the moment from Skleník, where they put the greenhouse together, as it kind of reminded me of Grill (same with Natírají okna, which is the part where they run in and out of the house to build the window machine). But without his fast animation moments, it lacks fluidity. Overall, I'd say he's on the same level as Chocholín, not bad but not great animation.

    Jan Smrčka:
    Definitely similar to Klos's animation, as you've said. I feel like his takes a more calming approach, though. Maybe that's just me, because I watch Na Venkově pretty often, but it's not super entertaining to watch the hoover eat everything in its path, in my opinion. I do definitely think it's the closest we'll get to Klos's animation, though, as the two have the same first name, Jan (unless we get someone with the last name Klos, let's say, Karel-oh wait. That's already happened).

    That's the end. I hope you enjoyed my little review of these animators. Until next time, A Je To!

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    1. Hi. Not sure why you'd think I wouldn't see this :) Happy Easter! Interesting points on some of the animators, and I agree with a lot of them. Ladislav Pálka is, of course, a man. Just so we're clear, Karel Klos was also Jan Klos, just under a haphazard synonym. Also, Alfons hasn't been working on the newest series, which is still being shot (at least the connecting sequences), but Marek Beneš has chipped in with his first sequences after 3 decades!

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    2. Happy Easter to you as well! I've just figured that you've been busy with many other things, so you'd probably not respond. And yes, I know that Karel Klos and Jan Klos are the same, just like with Jan Keks, thanks to you because I've seen your post about those names popping up after Korcule, Hrnciari, and Pourcha (if I'm not incorrect). I read your blog almost every day and some facts, like that one, really interest me. I don't want to bother you too much, but I would like a new post for this blog. No peer pressure, the minutiae posts along with interviews, the new series, and legitimately anything on this blog will entertain me for now. Thank you for the reply.

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    3. Also, one more thing (I don't want you to get tired of my comments), In my opinion, Marek Beneš's animation is better than Ladislav Pálka's. They are the worst animators on the series, by far, but I feel like Marek's is cleaner and doesn't lack fluidity as much as Ladislav's. Also, I think Ladislav's ...a je to! gesture looks really weird (just watch the gestures on Zavařují, it just looks goofy). It looks like he only knew one speed, which I strongly believe. Not just him, but the other people from Bonton that worked along with him had just mediocre animation (by which I mean Milan Šebesta and Cyril Podolský, and once again, Milan worked as a director on Vánočka, seems like a pattern) Both of them aren't terrible though (Marek gets a 5.5/10 in my books), just a hot take.

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